{"id":2170,"date":"2012-11-18T20:05:02","date_gmt":"2012-11-19T04:05:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/?p=2170"},"modified":"2013-01-05T23:26:29","modified_gmt":"2013-01-06T07:26:29","slug":"loaf-82-more-failed-sourdough-huh","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/loaf-82-more-failed-sourdough-huh\/","title":{"rendered":"Loaf 82 &#8211; More Failed Sourdough. Huh?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m mad at bread, <a href=\"http:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/loaf-16-im-mad-at-bread\/\">again<\/a>. I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s going on with my sourdough lately, but my success rate has been very low.<\/p>\n<p>This past weekend I made two batches of sourdough, which I&#8217;m only counting as one loaf here.<\/p>\n<h2>Saturday<\/h2>\n<p>The Saturday batch didn&#8217;t even get baked. My starter was about a week old, I fed it on Friday and also did a separate feeding to make the levain for this sourdough batch. I did the feeding at 1am and started mixing at 9:15am. I wanted to test out making epi rolls for Thanksgiving but also wanted a nice loaf to eat, so I mixed up 1800g of dough to make a boule and a couple of baguettes to practice epis with.<\/p>\n<p>The Tartine recipe says to delay adding the salt for half an hour so that the yeast can get a head start before this toxic ingredient is added. I forgot to do that on this batch. After a three hour proofing rest I divided the dough, let it rest for 30 minutes and then shaped a boule and two baguettes. The second rising stage is usually three to four hours, but after four and a half hours the boule had barely risen and the baguettes had actually collapsed (without rising first). I dumped the whole batch.<\/p>\n<p>My assumption was that either the salt killed the yeast or that my kitchen was too cold.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2173\" style=\"width: 522px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2173\" class=\"size-large wp-image-2173\" title=\"1st try: shaped, post-proofing. Flatter!\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356-512x384.jpg\" width=\"512\" height=\"384\" srcset=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356-512x384.jpg 512w, https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 512px) 100vw, 512px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2173\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">1st try: shaped, post-proofing. Flatter!<\/p><\/div>\n<h2>Sunday<\/h2>\n<p>I decided to try again, and fed a new levain at about 10pm Saturday night. I began the new loaves at 9am Sunday morning. The levain grew about 50% overnight, had appropriate bubbles in it, and floated in the water. Everything was pointing in the right direction. I mixed 1200g of dough, and this time let it proof in the oven with a preheated pizza stone, keeping the oven at about 75\u00b0, with stretch and folds every half hour (as usual).<\/p>\n<p>I divided the dough, and rested it. So far so good &#8211; the dough had some nice bubbles in it and rose a nice amount during the rest.<\/p>\n<p>I then shaped a boule and two smaller baguettes. Like the day before, this is where everything fell apart. The baguettes fell flat and the boule rose only a small amount over a 3 or 4 hour period.<\/p>\n<p>I decided to bake the boule anyway using the dutch oven technique. Failure. The loaf only rose a tiny amount in the oven. The flavor was okay, but it was a dense ugly loaf otherwise. Into the compost pile it went.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2171\" style=\"width: 522px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4362.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2171\" class=\"size-large wp-image-2171\" title=\"No oven pop. Fail.\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4362-512x384.jpg\" width=\"512\" height=\"384\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2171\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">No oven pop. Fail.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Now I&#8217;m grumpy. My starter is behaving properly with growth after feeding. My levains look, smell, taste and float properly. I&#8217;m following the same process as my successful sourdough loaves. Yet the result is stunningly bad. My thoughts on what the problem may be:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>This may not be a good dough for baguettes &#8211; I haven&#8217;t tried them with this recipe before. That would explain them falling (too much handling in the shaping step), but it doesn&#8217;t explain why the boules are failing, too.<\/li>\n<li>Saturday may have failed because of the salt being added too early, but that was fixed on Sunday with no improvement.<\/li>\n<li>Something may be wrong with my starter. Indications are that all is well with it, but I&#8217;ll have to investigate this more.<\/li>\n<li>I have no idea what&#8217;s going on.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div>This is particularly frustrating at this late of a stage in my 100 Loaves project &#8211; I&#8217;m supposed to be really good at this by now, or at least be able to debug quickly. My non-sourdough breads are all very reliable now, but I have yet to master this one.<\/div>\n\n\t\t<style type=\"text\/css\">\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 {\n\t\t\t\tmargin: auto;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-item {\n\t\t\t\tfloat: left;\n\t\t\t\tmargin-top: 10px;\n\t\t\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t\t\t\twidth: 33%;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 img {\n\t\t\t\tborder: 2px solid #cfcfcf;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-caption {\n\t\t\t\tmargin-left: 0;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t\/* see gallery_shortcode() in wp-includes\/media.php *\/\n\t\t<\/style>\n\t\t<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-2170 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail'><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4355.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4355-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2172\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2172'>\n\t\t\t\t1st try: shaped, pre-proofing.\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121117-4356-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2173\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2173'>\n\t\t\t\t1st try: shaped, post-proofing. Flatter!\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4357.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4357-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2174\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2174'>\n\t\t\t\t2nd try: pre-shaped dough has signs of life.\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><br style=\"clear: both\" \/><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4358.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4358-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2175\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2175'>\n\t\t\t\tDivided dough.\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4359.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4359-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2176\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2176'>\n\t\t\t\tReasonable rising after a 30 minute rest.\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4360.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4360-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2177\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2177'>\n\t\t\t\t2nd try: shaped, pre-proofing.\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><br style=\"clear: both\" \/><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4361.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4361-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2178\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2178'>\n\t\t\t\tWimpy boule, but I&#8217;ll bake it anyway.\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4362.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/anirama.com\/100loaves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/121118-4362-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-2864\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-2864'>\n\t\t\t\tNo oven pop. Fail.\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl>\n\t\t\t<br style='clear: both' \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m mad at bread, again. I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s going on with my sourdough lately, but my success rate has been very low. This past weekend I made two batches of sourdough, which I&#8217;m only counting as one loaf here. Saturday The Saturday batch didn&#8217;t even get baked. 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